Body Rub Question

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I have a question. I offer body rubs and possible other services, I would like to know if it is safe after the person comes to see u and the are naked if its okay to say that I offer more....... In my knowledge of LE Ive HEARD that if they get completely undressed then they are not LE, Does anyone know the specifics on this? I hope I can post this here
 
Ive heard thats the norm, but they can ultimatly do ANYTHING they want. goingTopless in NYS is not a crime if thats all, dont know if the message is legal if you dont advertise correctly.Some really unattractive women that a guy woiuldnt even want to see topless worked hard to get that law passed , it would be a shame if women we REALLY want to see TOPLESS werent taking advaneforum.xxxe of it.I for one would not hold it against you one bit...

If they leave the skivies on its usually not a good sign. but at that point why not just except the door fee, give a decent straight up message, and get the guy out the door.Not all those appointments can be gold, but isn't making say 30 or 40 bucks per half to rub a guys back enough,?
 
imho, I believe if they want to bust you up they will, does it mean they care if it can be proved in court? dont think they care if it gets there.In the past, rub girls have told me that le had done several appointment at varrying degrees and then came back ans busted them.These were all just passing conversations , Im not le, just weighing in, maybe someone else can elaborate.Any ATTORNEYS in the house?
 
Rochester use to have a burlesque show kinda. But actors would do sex acts on seforum.xxxe. It was on State st near Andrews. For part of a seforum.xxx party RPD officers went to watch and sat in the front row. Front row very close to seforum.xxxe. seforum.xxxe was not very high. In a surprise move she she gave the RPD groom BBBJCIMS. As the male actor was BBFS her from behind. They waited a few weeks, then busted her doing that to someone that was not RPD. She did not charge him. But ya did have to pay to see the show. It did not hold up in court. But it was still what closed the place down. as holly rollers started to hang outside keep guys and a few girls going in to watch.

The place was like watching a porn movie live. i went there a few times. Once with a civilian girl.
 
Not a lawyer. LE can not touch you sexually first. If someone comes in and reaches under your cloths, and molests you, then you repeat what they are doing in a loud voice, so they can hear you on a wire, and they admit what they are doing, you should be safe. This is my rule for all first encounters. "Hi, I'm Jim I grabbing your tit."
 
Very interesting. Do you continue the play by play for the entire visit?
 
If you want to know the REAL truth, you have to ask a lawyer. But I'm sure we will get many more replies to this as soon as our local "experts" notice this thread (and some of them are pretty damn smart).

But even if that is correct, consider that you CANNOT trust LE. They will not play fair and you will not win. Like JONBALLS says "if they want to bust you they will."

I wish we could give you better advice. But I think that most of the people like you who chose to do this realize that there is risk that cannot always be eliminated. Be as careful as you can be, within reason. There are a lot of careless people out there, and they are easy to bust. LE will probably hassle them rather than work harder to get someone like you. The fact that you care enough to ask this question means that you will probably be okay if you trust your instincts.
 
Non-legal commentary follows:

When you say "get comfortable" and he strips down completely for you to do a body rub, you are charging for the body rub. As you probably figured out, calling it a massage causes there to be licensing issues. If he's buck naked, your odds just went up that he's not LE, but, he still might be.

If the guy starts to ask you what you do extra or starts to mention money, I'd freak out and wrap it up. They want to establish a money in exchange for sex transaction. Avoid any and all mentions of sex with someone you don't trust. Avoid discussing any additional money changing hands with someone you don't trust.

Stay patient and let the trust develop on its own timing... or so says the guy who has never worked your side of the table.
 
LE can and will get undressed, they will do what it takes if they have scoped in on you. I have read this numerous times. I don't think NY le would be any different.

Screen, require references that are well known. Never take short cuts. I advertise on bp here in Dallas in br section and many of those guys who lurk bp do and have references. I don't put my face out there either, le will go for the easiest bust first. But have a alternative screening plan for the newbies. I had a real good provider friend come to your area last week. She did well offering the br.
 
Scared of men in underpants girl?

Would you nail a cop? Fellate a Barrister? Hang with a juror?

Make peace with a homie !!
 
I remember a few years ago, the Seattle police went for a massage and got hj to completion and arrested the provider after. The convictions stood, as I recall. In Miami, le goes into a massage parlor wearing a wire or have one nearby. then when the provider touches his penis, he says a code phrase and the raid begins.
 
I'm pretty sure the line in the sand according to the law is when there is sexual contact in exchange for money. I gotta think this includes making that deal because isn't that how they do the prostitution arrests? I know a working girl that got busted and she said the undercover cop touch her tits and showed his unit so they can do anything to make the deal. She said they made the deal in the car and right after that they got pulled over and she got arrested. I do remember the cops making a couple arrests of MPs years ago but I don't know how they did it. If the guy is anxious to make a deal upfront I would say that is suspicious.
 
It all comes down to, They will bust you if they want to, No Matter What. When push comes to shove, in a court of law, it is your word against LE. Guess what... you lose every time.

THE ONLY way to avoid this is for ladies to screen clients and for men to only see reputable ladies who do screen.

Since I have never seen AMP's screen, they are always at risk. But since LE (usually) only concentrates on the ladies, and not the john's, the risk is lessened for the men involved. At least until some politician or police agency decides to make a names for themselves usually occurring around election time.
 
Agreed the guys are on the better side of this.

Could you imagine a supervisor going to a female cop to agree to massaging naked guys trying to make a deal and grabbing their cranks just to make a petty arrest? I'd think there would be a great hostile environment sexual harassment lawsuit there!
 
LE in NY will be less likely to do that but dont rule it out at all, they'll bust before it gets that far usually...

people also get nude for rubs everyday at a legit parlor. its normal so ...

However they can bust you for not having a license to give massages.. NYS is strict with that and if the cant bust you for sexual activity for money they may take the other avenue and bust you for no license. Im sure a prostitution charge will go away easier that NYS..


body rub/massage makes no difference what you call it, you're not licensed to touch anyone in NYS eyes.

Food for thought..


Screen, screen, screen..
 
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    wonderspa: wonderspa: ๐ŸŒบwelcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒ. 4young beautiful girls working everyda,Ensuit shower available ๐Ÿ…,new friendly nice girl CiCi,providing oil deep tissue to relax massage and nice body slide,back work.more experience ,๐Ÿ…nice Vietnamese Amy is very beautiful face,open maid,amazing touch,happy the end,give you warm and comfortable time,really popular girl,must try๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธโค๏ธ
  39. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธAnna๐ŸŒธValentinaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  40. SL Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–Sexy Saturday๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: Richmond Hill & Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” Cici, Yoyo, Amber, Juliet, GFE Eva,Echo,๐Ÿ†•Julia, Lucy, Akino & Jennyโ€” ๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - Your Black Friday Bliss is Here!๐Ÿ™Œ
  41. SpringGreen.:
    Today we have 5 girls on downtown Toronto 72 gerrard st west๏ผš๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹ New girl angel very young๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Lisa- Tanned Spanish beauty with large melons and a fun booty too minica- exotic goddess with a gymnasts body and corresponding flexibility Jennifer- Exotic beauty with... Call and text 647 891 0699 ask...
  42. Nu spring spa888:
    ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’–sexy hot busty Singapore ๐ŸŒน Indian ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนkorean girls๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนworking ๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’—at markham โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508โค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธ
  43. FLOWER Spa โ€“ PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS โ€“ 3300 McNicoll Ave ๐Ÿ“ž 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท ELINA, ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡บ VANESSA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ MIKA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN (12PM) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  44. FLOWER Spa - BLUEXADO | Thornhill | VAUGHAN:
    BLUEXADO FS โ€“ #06-1102 Centre St ๐Ÿ“ž 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ HELEN, ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡พ AMY, ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฌ CANDY ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  45. Spa in Markham:
    GOLDEN FS โ€“ 8380 Kennedy Rd ๐Ÿ“ž 905-258-0777 / 416-688-6886 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ฐ CICI, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ NEW ROXY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ NEW LANA, ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ AISHA ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookinggoldenlove
  46. wilson holistic centre:
    ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Beautiful Korean girl working at 382 Wilson Ave ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-840-0071โค๏ธโค๏ธ
  47. AliceSpa:
    SATURDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 416-298-0898 [/color] Alice spa has 3 attractive honeys today. Open 10am to 9pm: CLOUDIA (12pm-9pm) is Vietnamese, young, petite 5'2" & 96 Lbs, B Cup, best rim deep bbbj cim. $40 Room Fee + $80 (incl bbbj & fs). +$20 for rim/cim. Excellent open minded services. JESSICA (10am-9pm)
  48. ForeverWarden:
    Saturday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cherry Sara & Tracy. Sara is young & slim with nice C Cups, trim waist, sexy bum and long hair. She is vary friendly uses her assets well. Cherry is slim and very beautiful, can deliver a great service experience. Tracy is an incredibly cute & pretty Japanese/Taiwanese mix
  49. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅBEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Massage
  50. HolidaySpa:
    Saturday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: AMY & MAGGIE. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills! Maggie is sweet, slim and very talented. ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…HOLIDAY SPA๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด 3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4 (Kennedy Rd & Steeles Ave E)
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