Chat SL West - Open Comment & Review

[Social-Misfit]

@Johnjoebowler, you and Jimmy quite the pair, shilling like a pair of inept monkeys for what, SL?, get his nutsack out of yer mouth johnny

 

[Buaya]

Couple of observations.

1.Promoters should not get into a shouting match with customers. A lose lose situation. This is especially true of promoters like KJ and Jimmy. They love the ban option.

2. Girls talk (gossip). Many of their conversation gets lost in the translation. English not being their first language. If you can speak Mandarin or Cantonese you will know the difference.

3. Many here feel very entitled. Be real. You are but 1 customer among many. Larger Spas like SL West and Golden Wellness do very well moneywise for the owners. Smaller ones - those with 2 girls on duty not so much, but the girls do well.

Also, @Sundance69 - I know you hobby a lot in the west. I know you like to get close to the girls and owners. You offer them positive reviews. I do not think you get paid to write these - hence not a promoter YET. However, if they offend you in some way, - say like Golden Wellness you might offer less glowing reviews eg. Hinting that the spa and the girls only like the 30 minutes In and Out. No massage just Fun. That is a disservice to the Spa.

Offering just my 2 cents.

 

[Johnjoebowler]

@Johnjoebowler, you and Jimmy quite the pair, shilling like a pair of inept monkeys for what, SL?, get his nutsack out of yer mouth johnny

Peggy sue always referring to the fag insults.
Is that a clear indication of what lurks non-stop in your mind?

You have alot of issues chump. Multiple id wierdo. Big mouthed tough guy on the internet with obvious homosexual tendencies that admittedly likes the finger in the ass.
In real life.....proven to be a big pussio!!

Have a productive day chump

 

[Social-Misfit]

Johnny, come on now, it's obvious who you are defending, an old prick like yerself, jimmny, and a spa that lacks decent girls and integrity, so what does that say for you @Johnjoebowler.

Call me whatever ya want old man, it's obvious yer bipolar like yer buddy jiminy, why else would you keep speaking in circles like you do

Any event pussy, I'm not getting into an argument or fight on here with you like I said, yer a pretend tough guy on a spa site, pretty pathetic don't ya think. johhny.

You need a capital L tattooed on yer forehead boy

 

[OG_funguy]

Couple of observations.

1.Promoters shoud not get into a shouting match with customers. A lose lose situation. This is especially true of promoters like KJ and Jimmy. They love the ban option.

2. Girls talk (gossip). Many of their conversation gets lost in the translation. English not being their first language. If you can speak Mandarin or Cantonese you will know the difference.

3. Many here feel very entitled. Be real. You are but 1 customer among many. Larger Spas like SL West and Golden Wellness do very well moneywise for the owners. Smaller ones - those with 2 girls on duty not so much, but the girls do well.

Also, @Sundance69 - I know you hobby a lot in the west. I know you like to get close to the girls and owners. You offer them positive reviews. I do not think yu get paid to write these - hence not a promoter YET. However, if they offend you in some way, - say like Golden Wellness you might offer less glowing reviews eg. Hinting that the spa and the girls only like the 30 minutes In and Out. No massage just Fun. That is a disservice to the Spa.

Offering just my 2 cents.

Agreed...

 

[Lalallala]

Couple of observations.

1.Promoters shoud not get into a shouting match with customers. A lose lose situation. This is especially true of promoters like KJ and Jimmy. They love the ban option.

2. Girls talk (gossip). Many of their conversation gets lost in the translation. English not being their first language. If you can speak Mandarin or Cantonese you will know the difference.

3. Many here feel very entitled. Be real. You are but 1 customer among many. Larger Spas like SL West and Golden Wellness do very well moneywise for the owners. Smaller ones - those with 2 girls on duty not so much, but the girls do well.

Also, @Sundance69 - I know you hobby a lot in the west. I know you like to get close to the girls and owners. You offer them positive reviews. I do not think yu get paid to write these - hence not a promoter YET. However, if they offend you in some way, - say like Golden Wellness you might offer less glowing reviews eg. Hinting that the spa and the girls only like the 30 minutes In and Out. No massage just Fun. That is a disservice to the Spa.

Offering just my 2 cents.

Re: smaller spas.. I was talking to multiple MPAs about roster sizes and, at least the ones I talked to, say it’s easier to make money at the smaller places. One girl says that working at QQ, if she didn’t bring her own customers, it’s hard to make much money from walk ins because there’s so many girls. So you basically have to up the service level and hope that they come back or whatever to get more guys to come and ask for you. Another girl mentioned that going to a small 2-3 girl semi operation, they can see 8-9 customers a day with decent tips versus a busy spa with a half dozen or more girls and only getting 5-6 customers in a day.

 

[pickyreviewerr]

should I join this conversation?

 

[Johnjoebowler]

Johnny, come on now, it's obvious who you are defending, an old prick like yerself, jimmny, and a spa that lacks decent girls and integrity, so what does that say for you @Johnjoebowler.

Call me whatever ya want old man, it's obvious yer bipolar like yer buddy jiminy, why else would you keep speaking in circles like you do

Any event pussy, I'm not getting into an argument or fight on here with you like I said, yer a pretend tough guy on a spa site, pretty pathetic don't ya think. johhny.

You need a capital L tattooed on yer forehead boy

Are you looking in the mirror as you type this

EVERYTHING that you suggest to a 'T' is directly relative to you!! Hahahahaha

Integrity.....you have zero?
Speaking in circles?
You call me a pusssy and then suggest that im trying to be a toughguy??

As ive said before chump, you do need help. For real!!! You are an absolute mess.

 

[OG_funguy]

Re: smaller spas.. I was talking to multiple MPAs about roster sizes and, at least the ones I talked to, say it’s easier to make money at the smaller places. One girl says that working at QQ, if she didn’t bring her own customers, it’s hard to make much money from walk ins because there’s so many girls. So you basically have to up the service level and hope that they come back or whatever to get more guys to come and ask for you. Another girl mentioned that going to a small 2-3 girl semi operation, they can see 8-9 customers a day with decent tips versus a busy spa with a half dozen or more girls and only getting 5-6 customers in a day.

It's difficult to say...pro's and con's. There's not that many 'small' spas where girls are consistently getting 8-9 customers per day (most are much slower than that). If they were always getting that many customers, the boss would add a girl because the chances of losing customers would be too high...most owners HATE losing customers because there aren't enough girls working.

 

[Lalallala]

It's difficult to say...pro's and con's. There's not that many 'small' spas where girls are consistently getting 8-9 customers per day (most are much slower than that). If they were always getting that many customers, the boss would add a girl because the chances of losing customers would be too high...most owners HATE losing customers because there aren't enough girls working.

Well, the perspective of the owner vs the MPA is quite different.

I wonder what the girls would consider to be an acceptable income for a day.

 

[OG_funguy]

Well, the perspective of the owner vs the MPA is quite different.

I wonder what the girls would consider to be an acceptable income for a day.

Of course, personally I like it when the girls are all busy and making money. I don't like it when the owners add a girl unnecessarily. But of course I understand where they are coming from. They make money on the doors fees so every lost customer (because all the girls were busy) is a personal hit to them, not only the money but the potential lost customer to a competitor too.

Regarding your second point, that varies a lot per girl. Some of the popular girls have very high demands vs. some of the less popular girls. These days, I think 'most' girls would be happy with over $500 per day. At some well known spas with less mileage, girls would need to do 8-9 customers to make that whereas at other spas they can make that with 4+ customers. I know some girls that have left busier spas to work at smaller spas that are less stress, less work and generally a more relaxed atmosphere. Conversely, I know some girls that hate sitting around doing nothing so they went to the busier spas and worked much harder for the same money. At the end of the day, everyone's different...

 

[Buaya]

2 girls spa - on average a busy day is 15. 7/8 per girl. Girl makes good money. Owners who DO NOT WORK the room - after overheads do not make money. They have to work the room to maintain the income they are used too.

On average a spa willl need 7 bookings per day at the minmum to cover overheads.

 

[Lalallala]

2 girls spa - on average a busy day is 15. 7/8 per girl. Girl makes good money. Owners who DO NOT WORK the room - after overheads do not make money. They have to work the room to maintain the income they are used too.

On average a spa willl need 7 bookings per day at the minmum to cover overheads.

7 per day.. assuming just 30 min sessions that’s.. what? $20 that the owner gets or $140/day overhead? If we say $150/day, that’s perhaps $4500/month overhead. Seems reasonable.

 

[OG_funguy]

7 per day.. assuming just 30 min sessions that’s.. what? $20 that the owner gets or $140/day overhead? If we say $150/day, that’s perhaps $4500/month overhead. Seems reasonable.

I think he means on the high end is 7-8 per girl per day...most small spas don't do that kind of volume.

The owner almost always gets at least $30 of the room fee, regardless of the session duration. Some owners are getting even more these days...probably justified too.

His math is likely assuming 7 x $30 per day which seems about right although depending on the location, some small spas have much less monthly expenses to deal with.

If the owner of a small spa works the room, the spa can make money with even less than 7 bookings per day...they won't be getting rich but they will be in the black.

 

[Lalallala]

I think he means on the high end is 7-8 per girl per day...most small spas don't do that kind of volume.

The owner almost always gets at least $30 of the room fee, regardless of the session duration. Some owners are getting even more these days...probably justified too.

His math is likely assuming 7 x $30 per day which seems about right although depending on the location, some small spas have much less monthly expenses to deal with.

If the owner of a small spa works the room, the spa can make money with even less than 7 bookings per day...they won't be getting rich but they will be in the black.

Hmm when I was in the resto biz, at a decent strip mall in Markham, our rent was about $6k/month for 2200 sq ft, plus basement. The lease was signed on Oct 2018. Yearly increases were such that at the end of the 5 year term it was about $6600/month.

Hydro, gas etc added about $1000/month. So I guess depending on the strip mall and the lease, and hopefully less footprint and overhead cost, $200/day would definitely cover the total overhead.

 

[Sundance69]

Couple of observations.

1.Promoters should not get into a shouting match with customers. A lose lose situation. This is especially true of promoters like KJ and Jimmy. They love the ban option.

2. Girls talk (gossip). Many of their conversation gets lost in the translation. English not being their first language. If you can speak Mandarin or Cantonese you will know the difference.

3. Many here feel very entitled. Be real. You are but 1 customer among many. Larger Spas like SL West and Golden Wellness do very well moneywise for the owners. Smaller ones - those with 2 girls on duty not so much, but the girls do well.

Also, @Sundance69 - I know you hobby a lot in the west. I know you like to get close to the girls and owners. You offer them positive reviews. I do not think you get paid to write these - hence not a promoter YET. However, if they offend you in some way, - say like Golden Wellness you might offer less glowing reviews eg. Hinting that the spa and the girls only like the 30 minutes In and Out. No massage just Fun. That is a disservice to the Spa.

Offering just my 2 cents.

Thanks, we can debate that issue another day, point taken ... just keep in mind it takes two to tango.

 

[OG_funguy]

Hmm when I was in the resto biz, at a decent strip mall in Markham, our rent was about $6k/month for 2200 sq ft, plus basement. The lease was signed on Oct 2018. Yearly increases were such that at the end of the 5 year term it was about $6600/month.

Hydro, gas etc added about $1000/month. So I guess depending on the strip mall and the lease, and hopefully less footprint and overhead cost, $200/day would definitely cover the total overhead.

Small spas are not 2200 sqft lol...and rent is usually much much less than $6600/mth at small spas

 

[Sundance69]

should I join this conversation?

No ... it's been a tough week! Thanks for the offer!

 

[Lalallala]

Small spas are not 2200 sqft lol...and rent is usually much much less than $6600/mth at small spas

Yeah. I was just using it as illustrative examples for high side estimates. So $150-$200/day would totally be possible to keep them afloat.

 

[OG_funguy]

Yeah. I was just using it as illustrative examples for high side estimates. So $150-$200/day would totally be possible to keep them afloat.

$200/day would keep most small spas afloat but of course they won't be happy with that...

But that's why you even see some 1 person spas staying open...assuming it's the owner working, she can make $200 per day with even 2-3 customers